Transatlantic Dialogue:
New York-Italy Issues of Theory:
Field, Contact, Self, Evaluation, Group Therapy Theory

Held Friday Evening through Sunday, November 7,8,9, 1997.

The Marriott East Side Hotel
Lexington Avenue and E. 49th Street
New York City

"Exciting," "Stimulating," "Disappointing," "Rewarding," "Engaging," "Frustrating," "Infuriating," "Warm," "Friendly," were some of the comments following the ground breaking conference, Issues of Theory: Field, Contact, Self, Evaluation, Group Therapy Theory, held in the large attractive ballroom at the Marriot East Side Hotel.

Beginning with Friday night, after Richard Kitzler's warm and informative welcome and orientation, Lee Zevy, who was the conference emcee and timekeeper, immediately directed the group-as-a-whole to reform into their ongoing process groups where they would engage and support and be engaged and supported by the same people throughout the conference. In keeping with Gestalt therapy theory, the process groups were meant to provide a ground for the conference experience.

The first exciting presentation, Carl Hodges on Field and Lee Zevy on Contacting, moved us immediately into the theory, followed by the first long meeting of the process groups for introductions and discussion. Afterward, the participants within their groups reconfigured to continue the discussion in the group-as-a-whole. Friday night ended with a cocktail party which became a continuation of the large group.

Saturday began with a slightly different note. Some of the groups had forceful and important members, around whose personality and issues the groups had coalesced on Friday night, who did not come back on Saturday. These groups had to work through their disappointment and resentment in order to regroup so that they could proceed with the work. Breakfast within the process group allowed for some of this reconciliation to take place so that Dan Bloom's presentation of Self, Structuring/Functioning and Ken Meyer's on Self and Egotism provided for exciting discussion afterward within the process groups. This continuity of the process groups allowed participants to work toward an integration of their experience of self, the group, and the whole conference within the context of hearing and reading the presentations ( the papers were included in the registration folders) .

Before Saturday morning ended Margherita Spagnuolo Lobb and Giovanni Salonia of the Instituto di Gestalt Venezia, Sicilia e Roma presented their work on Diagnosis and Evaluation. This was a critical, very interesting and what proved to be difficult part of the conference for a number of reasons. Although Margherita's English is quite proficient, Giovanni's was not, and the translator was unfamiliar with Gestalt therapy theory language so that Giovanni's work was very difficult to understand. Finally Margherita took over the translation, and understanding became easier; however, the material we had been given by them did not conform to their presentations, so that they had to become creative and used a slide and handout (copied on the spot) of the diagram of their theory to aid in presenting their material.

Basically, the flyer indicated that they had devised a child development map according to gestalt therapy, which indicated certain stages of development where interruptions of contact occur. Because this was entirely new material presented in a foreign language, we all struggled to understand what they were presenting.

At lunch on Saturday the process group leaders and conference organizers as well as Margherita and Giovanni met to check in, support and confer on the way the conference was proceeding. This gave much needed help and guidance to process group leaders who gave a brief synopsis of the way their groups were proceeding and this meeting was an important segue into the afternoon's work.

Margherita began the afternoon with a group demonstration of Diagnosis and Evaluation, which centered around her work with Borderline Personality Disorder. She and Giovanni seem to work with severely disturbed individuals, and it is this population they are using for their child development map. It was never made clear if they work privately at all or if this is work done in hospitals, and because their institute is attached to a University degree, the requirements for completion of training are totally different from the N.Y. Institute.

As a result of this dense and confusing material, the New York Institute response presented by Joe Lay and Ruth Wolfert began with presentations and ended in an exciting and heated dialogue between Margherita and Giovanni and the entire conference. Giovanni kept making the point that he was trying to fit 3 years of training into one discussion and it was bound to be confusing. This dialogue was followed by excitement, confusion and struggle within the process groups, whose members tried to make sense of the exchange and integrate this new information. What helped some of the groups is that Margherita and Giovanni were participants who could struggle with them toward understanding.

By the time the process groups reconfigured into the group-as-a-whole, a blending had occurred so that some of the boundaries between individual, group and conference were indistinct, and for most of the participants a sense of warmth and camaraderie born of shared struggle prevailed.

A dinner dance Saturday night in honor of the 45 anniversary of the New York Institute for Gestalt Therapy and Richard Kitzler's 70th birthday continued to promote a feeling of connection as the wine, food, phenomenal band and testimonials brought laughter and tears to the group.

On Sunday breakfast, the process groups gradually took form. As is expected in any conference, for some the bonding was strong and the groups remained intact and other groups seemed to have a loose collection of participants and one member decided to leave her group altogether and find another. First Carl Hodges and then Richard Kitzler discussed and organized Group therapy experiments to demonstrate their differing views on Group therapy theory. It was a lot to take in, to try to compare the Group demonstrations of Margherita, Carl and Richard from an experiential and theoretical perspective but the process groups came together once again to continue the work.

When it was time to come together for the final group-as-a-whole meeting and summation, some of the groups did not want to refocus and leave the successful work of their groups. When we finally all came together and the microphone was passed around, participants had a difficult time summarizing their conference experience in the final sharing because their was so much to process. All felt that the work needed to continue. Thanks were extended to those who had given so much to make this a reality: Burt Lazarin, conference organizer and his team of helpers were warmly thanked.

Margherita and Giovanni were congratulated over and over for their mighty efforts in a difficult climate. Process group leaders were given a rousing applause for their work not only at the conference but for the hours of preparation spent within the facilitators group as were the presenters and emcee.

The consensus was that the greatest difficulty all participants had was to find the means for integrating experience with theory, feeling and thought and that the search for understanding the material of the conference would continue for a very long time. It was felt by all that this was a momentous event which has moved Gestalt therapy into an international realm and that will provide new dimensions in the future.

In closing, Giovanni and Margherita invited everyone to come to Santa Flavia (Palermo, Italy) October 1-4 1998 for the 6th European Conference of Gestalt Therapy for their conference Gestalt Therapy: Hermeneutic and Clinical. Information can be obtained by writing Dr. Margherita Spagnuolo Lobb at:

The Istituto di Gestalt-H.C.C.
Via Alaimo da Lentini
2-96100 Siracusa, ITALIA
or calling (0931) 35207- Fax (O931)442734
or E-mail: gestalt@ibmsnet.it
http://www.madeinsicily.it/GestaltTherapy.htm.

Information can also be obtained by coming to New York Institute meetings, where we continue to explore our own theoretical beliefs so that we can bring them to the larger community.

For further information call (212) 864-8277
You can also contact Susan Gregory by email